Wednesday, February 04, 2004
 

Folding in Dean

As I sit around waiting for CNN to post the final delegate counts in Missouri and New Mexico (100% and 80% of the votes in as of 1:45am, but the delegate assignments still aren't complete), let me say a bit about Howard Dean.

I think it's tremendously important to the Democratic party that at some point Howard Dean bow out of the race, and that he not take his fight all the way to the convention.

If Dean were to stick it out to the bitter end, perhaps on the theory that a couple of big wins and some delegate pick-ups in other states keeps Kerry (or whoever) from running away with the nomination and keeps Dean in the game enough to be a power at a brokered convention, then my feeling is that an awful lot of Dean's supporters would stick with him. I think the cultishness of Dean's following has been somewhat overstated (I've flirted with that meme myself), but there's no doubting that many of his people are folks who have been woken up by the Dean message into a kind of political interest and activism they've never experienced before, and, as such, they have a tendency to be true believers in the cause.

True believers, we know, have a tendency not to give up, they hold on to the bitter end because their commitment is not so much a matter of rational policy analysis or personal preference based on character, personality or looks as it is an emotional and, well, kind of spiritual quest -- and one doesn't give up The Quest in mid-journey, one follows it through to the last moment possible.

I'm not saying that all of Dean's supporters are like this, or that even a majority of them are, but it's got to be conceded that a sizable portion of them relate to Dean's candidacy in this way. And that's why getting Dean to drop out at some point in the process is imperative for the party, because if those people get dragged along into a fight at the very end, and Dean loses (which he most probably will, given the odds which will be stacked against him), they will be shocked, strikcen, demoralized and completely uninterested in politics any more, and especially not in supporting the Democratic nominee. The blow to them will be so severe, that they will just drop out of the entire thing, which is pretty much where most of them started in the first place.

And if that happens in any kind of mass number, the net result is that people who could possibly have been convinced to vote for the Democratic nominee, if they had enough time to get over the pain and emotional distress of Dean's defeat, will not vote at all. (Fortunately, they won't vote for anyone else, either, unless perhaps Nader is running and they feel the need to strike back at someone by voting for him.) It need hardly be said that in the drive to remove Bush from office, given the predilection of the opposition for dirty tricks and stealing elections in whatever way is necessary, every single vote is going to be needed, and there's no way that giving up any block of voters is going to help us. We need those Dean votes, badly, to insure that we win bot just the popular vote, but the Presidency as well.

So it's very important, I think, at some time -- not necessarily now or after Saturday, but once it becomes clear that Dean seems to intend to stay in the race without a chance of winning it -- for Terry McAuliffe or some heavyweights in the party to take Dean aside and convince him, by whatever means necessary, that he must withdraw in sufficient time to allow his more ardent followers the opportunity of being courted by another candidate.

On Gadflyer, Thomas Schaller makes a similar point, concentrating on what Kerry, specifically, must do to insure the Dean's movement be folded into the party's general election campaign.

Now what the hell's the story with those delegate counts?

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